I admit I WAS going to cut and paste Azir’s words here but it’s a lot of words and you know, today is Wednesday and it’s that mid-week day I like to celebrate as Hump Day; and listen if it’s just another day to you, that’s cool, I can relate sometimes…but other times, not so much.
Other times I love the idea of reserving this one mid-week day to daydream… : ) let’s face it, the s**t on your desk will get handled eventually, or, hmmm, what’s wrong with arm sweeping that paperwork onto the floor and coaxing your dearly beloved into spending some time, energy and horizontal space with you ; ) oh yeeeooowww…
And…of course, I love the right mutual feelings, mood music, and everything else that goes with the romantic scenario, doesn’t all that go without saying? But the desk – you must admit…
So what, um…oh yeah, I mentioned Azir…right…hmmm, that paperwork on the floor thing, now, that’s good mind drift material…
So, yes, Azir left passages from the Quran at the original post, ‘The Quran says what? Wife beatings OK? With WHOM?’ - I believe he’s desperately reaching out to educate yours truly and others about equality of males and females within the Muslim culture. He is a Yugoslavian living in France, he has not seen the brutality of honor killings, etc…of Arab and other Middle eastern cultures versions of Muslim/Islam religion. He’s also sick and tired of Americans making a lot of noise about a few terrible men making all Muslims look bad and hmmm, who are we to talk when clearly we have some ‘evil passages’ in the bible? He’d like to know which book teaches more evil. Good question…
I’ll let you read his lengthy passage at the original post bc frankly, I do not want to edit his words…
As for you, Azir, thank you for your patience and your willingness to sift through cultural misunderstandings, including some of our wording in e-mail’s and here, to get to this point. I must say that some of your explanations still won’t fly with a lot of Western women and I will let them speak for themselves; in the spirit of on-going conversation, and bc we can all learn something from one another, please commenters, keep your responses respectful and on point, no personal attacks please…and thank you : )
Short and sweet today, hope you (and your desk) have a loving day…
**Azir, I’m afraid I have a commenter who has something further to say…please open the comments area and read, they’re her words and since I did not edit you, I will not edit her either. Now that’s gender equality : )
on Sep 16th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Nadia says….
Zen Lill
Azir is a typical “enlightened” muslim male who knows that islam deprives women of equality in every aspect of their lives. But these males don’t care. Rather they seek to keep the status quo by arguing everything else.
Allah never said any of the shit in the koran. It was a book written by a pedophile named Muhammad in or about 610 in Mecca, Saudi Arabia.
I do not exaggerate or seek to defile this military genius by calling him a pedophile. His history speaks for itself. He took a six year old girl as a bride. They justify this by saying that he did not have marital sex (rape her) until she was nine.
Ask any of these “enlightened” men about this and they use Muhammad waiting until she was nine as a justification of continuing to make this man their most holy of saints. They do this to justify their on continue practice of pedophilia.
These are men who don’t have the skills or the desire to woo a woman at any level. They want to continue forcing female children and young women into marrying whomever their male “god appointed masters” tell them to.
Muslim men are the most pathetic men on the planet. They are sleazy pedophiles that give healthy men the creeps. Muslim men and their religion of pedophilia are tolerated by the rest of the world because of their hold on the world’s supply of oil.
When the energy crisis is settled, they and their practice of forcing women into sexual slavery will be ostracized. Azir presents his argument for the acceptance of islam as a “good” religion as if its encouragement of the enslavement of women is but a side issue of islam. But for that “small” issue, islam is wonderful he implies.
That’s like arguing; but for the fact that the USA’s South enslavement of OTWs and its continued practice of discriminating against OTWs it is the land of God, America’s bible belt. Tell that to the tens of millions of people who have suffered at the hands of these devout whites.
Evil is often practiced in the name of God. That does not make it any less evil. However, those that practice evil that is so obviously evil on the face of it have to use some godly backing to continue their justification in the face of its self-evident wrongness.
The koran’s insistence that a man is appointed more equal than a woman is presented as a god said thing to justify the practice of muslim men being able to control females. It could not be justified any other way. More importantly the religion would not have any holding power on its followers if were not for this “present” to its male followers.
The women are held prisoners of this cult by the cult’s further edict that the koran says it is proper for anyone preaching against its teachings to be killed. And that anyone who wishes to leave islam as a religion can be killed by any muslim. Its actual meaning is if a woman tries to leave the oppressive cult she will be killed.
Yet men like Azir continue to advocate the practice of this cult because it benefits their desire to continue the availability of females for their sexual pleasure.
Madaline called it accurately when she said that these men are so sensitive to how the world treats them and their perceived needs, yet they could care less about the needs of their female population.
Hypocrisy is their true religion. Ask Azir why doesn’t he spend as much time trying to change the “equal equity” he says the koran grants women to equal equality. Sounds strange doesn’t it? Why because it is nonsense. Equality is what it is on the face. There is no such thing as almost equality when defining equality. Either you are or you aren’t. the US Supreme Court said so when it ruled that there is no such thing as “separate but equal.”
Ask Azir why muslim men need to use the koran to force women into accepting being forced into “arranged” marriages. You can reprint my comments if you wish.
- Nadia
on Jan 9th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Nadia you don’t even know me I am not even a little bit of what you say i swear.
As i was reading your stupid comment i was laughing cause it wasn’t true at all,I am not a typical nothing of what you said,i gave enough proofs of what I said,so you are a typical woman who is full with hatred and now hates the whole world because you might suffered in your past.
I know a girl that hates Muslims and Islam because her ex was going out with her for 2 years and after he had sex with her he left her,and now she hates the whole world because of that,we were talking with her and once she got to know me she changed her mind about Islam but she still hates Muslims or more precisely Arabs,however Arabs are only 20% of the total number of Muslims in the world.
Anywaaaaaaaaaay please don’t mix Islam with a cult and with what Muslims do who are bad,I am not bad and I respect all woman and I don’t wanna say stuff just to please my sexual desires that is what non Muslims do and not Muslims,don’t mix things.
In Islam woman and man are equal except in some things,like when you work can you work as in buildings lifting high 50 kg heavy stuff like man do?
Man is in some case higher than a woman but but but woman should never mistreated and she always needs to be given the best of life she should be loved and cared and she should respect and love her husband back,that is love in marriage and where there is no love sadly there will be stupid stuff like beating.
Don’t say that it doesn’t happen in non Muslim’s life,it happens the most there and you know it,people are beating wifes and cheating and blablabla,so better go study and look at the real Muslims and look at the real ISLAM,Islam is a religion that submits to God and not something that is a country or anything simillar get it on your head.
You said the Quran says arrange marriage are forced?How can you lie like that it is obvious that you don’t know anything of the Quran,where does it say that tell me,infact the Quran says there is no forcing in marriage here proof…
And for women are rights over men similar to those of men over women. (2:226)
O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should you treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the dowry you have given them – except when they have become guilty of open lewdness. On the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If you take a dislike to them, it may be that you dislike something and Allah will bring about through it a great deal of good. (4:19)
Just go and study Islam and don’t act as you know the Quran please,thanx for reading and goodbye.
I am glad I am not a fanatic like you!
on Jan 9th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
OHO AND YOU SAID THE QURAN IS SAYING EVERY NON BELIEVE SHOULD BE KILLED???? ROTFL
WAKE UP AND READ THE QURAN!!!IT SAYS ABOUT THE PAGANS THAT LIVED IN THE TIME OF MUHAMMAD READ THE VERSE BEFORE THAT VERSE ABOUT DEFENDING FROM PAGANS,IT DOESN’T SAY TO KILL NON BELIEVERS IT SAYS WHENEVER THEY COME UNTO YOU KILL THEM PAGANS BUT IF THEY WANT PEACE GIVE THEM PEACE,READ IT GOOD!
(Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loves not transgressors. And kill them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, kill them. Such is the reward of those who reject faith. But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression. The prohibited month, for the prohibited month, and so for all things prohibited, there is the law of equality. If then any one transgresses the prohibition against you, transgress ye likewise against him. But fear Allah, and know that Allah is with those who restrain themselves.) (Al-Baqarah 2: 190-194)
HERE ALLAH IS TALKING ABOUT THE PAGANS TO MUHAMMAD WHEN RAMADAN COMES THIS TIME DEFEND FROM THOSE WHO ATTACK YOU THAT IS WHAT IT SAYS!!!!
LOOK WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS……..WHICH IS MORE EVIL??????
Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man intimately. But all the girls who have not known man intimately, sparefor yourselves. (Numbers 31:17-18)
Even in the New Testament we read the following statement attributed to Jesus saying to his disciples:
“I tell you that to everyone who has, more shall be given, but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence.” (Luke 19:26-27)
WE SHOULD NEVER KILL AN INNOCENT PERSON NEVER!!!
IF WE KILL ONE INNOCENT PERSON IT IS LIKE IF WE HAD KILL THE WHOLE HUMANITY AND IF WE SAY ONE PERSON IT IS LIEK WE HAVE SAVED THE WHOLE HUMANITY SEARCH ON THE QURAN THIS WHAT I SAID!
THIS IS WHAT IS MEANT FOR THE WHOLE MANKIND ….
“Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects Taghut (evil) and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trust worthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. ” (Qur’an 2:256)]
Surely We have revealed to you [Muhammad] the Book for the people with truth; so whoever follows the right way, it is for his own soul, and whoever goes astray, he goes astray only to its detriment; and you have not been put in charge of them. (39.41)
22:67 To every people have We appointed ceremonial rites (of prayer) which they observe; therefore, let them not wrangle over this matter with you, but bid them to turn to your Lord (since that is the main objective of religion). You indeed are rightly guided. But if they still dispute you in this matter, (then say,) `God best knows (the value of) what you do.
4:79, 80 (Say to everyone of them,) ‘Whatever good betides you is from God and whatever evil betides you is from your own self and that We have (O Prophet) sent you to mankind only as a messenger and all sufficing is God as witness. Whoso obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys God. And for those who turn away, We have not sent you as a keeper.”
17:53, 54 And tell my servants that they should speak in a most kindly manner (unto those who do not share their beliefs). Verily, Satan is always ready to stir up discord between men; for verily; Satan is mans foe …. Hence, We have not sent you (Unto men O Prophet) with power to determine their Faith
But if they turn away,; then We have not sent you [Muhammad] as a keeper over them; only deliverance [of the Message] is your duty (from 42.48).
Therefore [Muhammad] remind [with the Message that We revealed to you], for you are only a reminder. (88.21) You are not a controller over them. (88.22)
“He who believes in God and the Last Day should honour his guest, should not harm his neighbour, should speak good or keep quiet.” (Bukhari, Muslim)
“Whoever hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state hurts me, and he who hurts me annoys God.” (Bukhari)
“He who hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state, I am his adversary, and I shall be his adversary on the Day of a Judgement.” (Bukhari)
“Beware on the Day of Judgement; I shall mysefl be complainant against him who wrongs a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state or lays on him a responsibility greater than he can bear or deprives him of anything that belongs to him.” (Al-Mawardi)
“Anyone who kills a Non-Muslim who had become our ally will not smell the fragrance of Paradise.” (Bukhari)
THERE ARE MANY MANY VERSES FROM THE QURAN AND HADITH ABOUT THIS TOPIC BUT I THINK THIS IS ENOUGH AND I AM TIRED IT IS LATE.
HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND BETTER NOW ABOUT ISLAM AND HOPE YOU WIL START TO STUDY AND SEARCH FRO THE REAL TRUTH OF ISLAM ABOUT ALL WHAT YOU SAID,I HOPE YOU WILL NOT GET BRAINWASHED BY THE ANTI ISLAMIST AND START TO THINKING WITH YOUR OWN MIND LOGICALLY.
on Jan 9th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
I MEANT IF WE SAVE ONE PERSON IT IS LIKE IF WE HAD SAVED THE WHOLE HUMANITY,THANX FOR READING BYE.